The Declaration At 250

The Declaration of Independence is 250 years old, but it refuses to sit quietly on a shelf. We end Civics in a Year by asking one question that cuts through politics and posture: what does the Declaration mean 250 years later, and what does it require from us right now?

We start with ASU President Michael Crow, who argues that the United States is still early in a long, messy democratic story. His “second inning” metaphor reframes the semi-quincentennial as a marker, not a finish line, and it pushes us to think in decades, not news cycles. We talk about equality as equal chance, the ongoing fight over resources and access, and why civic education and the right to learn belong at the center of a healthy constitutional democracy.

Then Dr. Paul Carrese takes us back into the text itself and challenges us to read beyond the famous opening lines. The closing pledge “our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor” becomes a personal standard for citizenship, not a dramatic flourish. Finally, students from ASU’s Civic Leadership Institute bring the Declaration into the present with unfiltered honesty, debating virtue, natural rights, inequality, consent of the governed, and the fear of tyranny.

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Transcript

A Final Thank You And Question

SPEAKER_10 0:00

Welcome to the final episode of Civics in a Year. I have to admit, I never imagined how emotional it would feel to say those words. A little over a year ago, I was given what seemed like an impossible challenge. Create 250 podcast episodes to commemorate America's 250th anniversary. I, of course, said yes because I believed in the idea, but I didn't realize that somewhere along the way, this project would become something much more personal for me. This has been my love letter to America. Not because America is perfect. In fact, one of the greatest gifts of this journey has been the opportunity to explore our nation's triumphs alongside of its failures, its high ideals alongside its deepest contradictions. Week after week, I was reminded that loving your country does not mean ignoring its flaws. It means caring enough to understand them and believing that each generation has a responsibility to move us closer to the ideals that we claim as our own. Over the past year, I've got to have conversations with some of the country's leading historians, authors, educators, journalists, museum professionals, public servants, and civic leaders. I've learned something from every single one of them. They've challenged me, inspired me, and reminded me that the story of America is far more complicated and far more hopeful than we often give it credit for. And as I thought about how to end this series, I kept coming back to one question. Not necessarily what happened 250 years ago, but more of what does the Declaration of Independence mean 250 years later? So instead of ending with one final interview, I wanted to end with a conversation across generations. You'll first hear from Arizona State University's president Michael Crow, whose leadership has made civic education a cornerstone of the university's mission. After that, you'll hear from Dr. Paul Caris, Director of the Center for American Civics and the founding director of the School of Civic and Economic Thought at Leadership at Arizona State University, whose work has helped shape how we think about the American founding and constitutional democracy. And my favorite part, you're going to hear from a group of remarkable high school students who joined us this summer for Arizona State University's Civic Leadership Institute. I really love that these voices are appearing side by side. Because democracy is not just sustained by experts alone. It is sustained when each generation wrestles with the same enduring questions, learn from those who came before, and adds its own perspective to the American story. The Declaration of Independence belongs just as much to the students imagining America's future as it does to the scholars who spent decades studying its past. So I asked them all the same question. What does the Declaration of Independence mean 250 years later? Their answers were thoughtful, they're honest, and sometimes they're hopeful, sometimes they're challenging. Together they remind us that the Declaration isn't simply a document that we preserve behind glass, it's an invitation to continue the work of self-government, to expand liberty, and to keep asking what it means to build a nation dedicated to the proposition that we are all created equal. But before we begin, I genuinely want to thank you, the listeners. Whether you've listened to one episode or all 250, thank you for taking this journey with me. Thank you for believing that history matters, that civic knowledge matters, and that understanding our past helps us shape a better future. This part of the series might be ending, but the American story never does.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

For me, the 250 years uh tells us that we're in the very early stages. We're maybe in the second inning of a nine-inning game that's gonna go at least four or five extra innings, one can only hope. And and like baseball, there's no clock. So it it it means there's it's not a there's not a time on this thing. And so what I mean by we're in the second inning, you know, in the in the in the warm-up, you know, we had to come up with the with the whole idea of the declaration, the preamble, as some people call it, the greatest sentence ever written, you know, where it lays out the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, among others. It lays out this whole notion that all people are created equally. And and and so that's sort of the setup of the game. Then the declaration occurs, and then the game

Michael Crow On The Long Game

SPEAKER_00 5:09

starts. And in the first inning, you know, we have taken on first overthrowing the British in what ended up being a pretty dramatic civil war. It was more than a revolution, it was more of a civil war. We had to work our way through fighting the British a second time, who tried to take us over in 1812. Then, of course, we had the lingering, unresolved question that that there was no truth to the statement that all people were created equal, because in the way that the country was designed, they weren't. Uh women couldn't vote, blacks were still held in slavery, indentured servitude, everything that you can possibly imagine, an unequal justice. And so in the first inning, we had to get all the way to now, or just about now, by trying to move towards the uh fuller realization of the goal that the declaration identified, this notion of governance by the people, all people being equal and everyone being granted unalienable rights. And now in the second inning, we've been trying to find out how to make that work, you know, with with at least statements of equality being justifiably and legally enforced. The notion of pursuit of unalienable rights is still being worked out because we have this big thing about resources and money and and and access to things. And so the way I see this 250 years into this is that now we have a very clear picture about how to get through the second inning. That is, what do we have to do in the second inning to continue to strive towards this goal? I've outlined a number of things. So we need to add to the unalienable rights, because even in the declaration it says, among others. So if you go back into the philosophical literature, you see what what what some of the other rights were. Well, one of them was learning. And so one of the things that we focused on here at ASU is the design of a new kind of university, which is one built on who we include versus who we exclude and how they succeed. One built on doing research that's uh built around the public and the public's goals and the people's goals. And the third part of our of what we what we call our charter is taking responsibility for the outcomes of our society, so of the schools, of the hospitals, of the economy, you know, not exclusive responsibility, but responsibility in the sense that we're not just in this for ourselves. And so here in the second inning, what we're trying to do is to build better institutions for the democracy. Now, once you build these better institutions, and we've taken a lot of steps towards that uh with our model here at ASU, well then they have to run for a while. You know, can we can we really reach all learners? Can we really help a person who didn't finish college? Can we help a person who didn't finish high school? Can we help all people to find some way to take this right to learn and then move themselves forward to being, you know, unbelievably powerful in the democracy? So the most important point at 250 years is one, to take a very long-term view, two, to not have a clock, three, to realize that we are at best in the second inning of this long baseball game. It's going to be a long time before we figure out how to educate everyone. It's going to be a long time before we figure out how we're going to make certain that people really have equality. And equality doesn't mean everyone's the same, it means everyone has the same chance. And so, you know, we we're working towards all of those things. And so for me, this is a a marker. 250 years seems like a long time, but it's not. You know, I have my father's family came here in the 17th century to Maryland, to the eastern shore of Maryland. And then, you know, that's that's like yesterday, basically. I mean, if you think about it, I mean I I know I know their names all the way back to the 1640s. I don't even I know the names of the people that came from England. And and I know back to I knew my great grandfather, born both my great great grandfathers both from Missouri, on my father's side. I actually knew them, and they were born a hundred and forty plus years ago. And so and so it's just weird that that they then knew people that were born in the eighteen tens and the eighteen hundreds, like eighteen oh eight, eighteen oh nine, they knew people born in those years. And that's just weird to me that I knew people who knew people who were alive when Abraham Lincoln was alive. And so so what it means is that it's just a flash of a a flash of a of a of a light. And so two hundred and fifty years also means that we've got two hundred and fifty years of unbelievable sacrifice to defend the democracy, to advance the democracy, to help make it work, of the civil rights movement, you know, all the other things that have gone on to help make things move in in good directions. And so we have to be thankful for all of that. And we have to find ways to build on that.

SPEAKER_11 10:21

As we celebrate the 250th birthday of America, the semi-quincentennial after 1776 and the Declaration of Independence, I put a challenge to all American citizens and aspiring citizens to read the Declaration of Independence carefully, find some place to discuss it with other people, and view it as an invitation and a challenge. So take seriously the whole document. It's complicated. The the opening statements of universal principle that we are one people because in the course of human offense, one people needing to do what we're about to do, and stating the universal principles, the laws of nature and nature's God, the other references to a divinity, and then the list of

Paul Caris On Sacred Honor

SPEAKER_11 11:08

grievances, and then the final paragraph. All of that is an invitation and a challenge to be a self-governing citizen, along with the 56 signers and everybody else, right? We Washington's not there at the Second Continental Congress because he's already been sent off to battle, right? He certainly would have been a signer. It's a it's an invitation and a challenge, and I'll emphasize the last sentence. To the extent that any of us read and take seriously the declaration anymore, we we get lost in a way in those first two paragraphs. There's extraordinary and there's so much there of a universal principle, self-evident truths, all created equal, etc. We forget the extraordinary claim made in the closing, as if it's sort of just a throwaway dramatic line, right? So the fourth and final reference to a divinity, uh, and then this closing pledge. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. So to celebrate the 250th of America, I challenge you to take that as a personal challenge for you. It's a matter of sacred honor that you take seriously the possibility of being an American citizen or being an American citizen and living up to it. It's it's an invitation and a challenge, right? The pursuit of happiness means the sacred honor of being a self-governing citizen. Right? In in the we forget in the second paragraph, there's not only a right to rebel against a government that's tyrannical, violating our equal natural rights, it's a duty. Right? So a duty, a happiness, a sacred honor to be self-governing. And then as you carefully read the rest of the declaration, you can see all of the arguments, why, and all the principles invoked, and and the beginning of this sort of the roadmap for America moving forward. So I think especially remembering that final sentence and thinking of it as integral to the argument of independence and the meaning of independence helps you to appreciate the document as a whole and appreciate America, the achievement, the ongoing achievement and experiment of America as a whole.

SPEAKER_06 13:40

Hi, my name is Grace. I'm 15, and I think that the Declaration, 250 years later, is significant because in a world where we have so much outward influence from social media and the news and all these other sources, the Declaration is there to remind our leaders that this country was built on virtue. And with all the outward noise, that there is a solid place for morals to still stand.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

The declaration today I feel like has been lost to like what a bunch of people have during

Students Redefine The Declaration Today

SPEAKER_03 14:27

these like modern times. And while like it's lost, there are like a majority trying to recover what being like uh independent means nowadays and who does that apply to. And while it is sad that it has been lost, seeing that like there is a renewal of like interest in historical uh education and knowing where your origins are or where the declaration and the laws come from, I feel like it's a foundation to be like living here in America.

SPEAKER_12 15:00

My name's Harrison. I'm just turned 14, and to me, I think that the Declaration is a writing that defines that we are born with natural rights that can't be taken away, and that it's the government's job to protect us.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

My name is Gabriel Valdez, and I'm 15 years old. And what the Declaration means to me, 250 years later, is the same thing that it would have meant to me if I lived 250 years ago. The same values in the Constitution outlined still stand today.

SPEAKER_09 15:32

Hello, uh this is Justin. I am 17. And what does the Declaration of Independence mean 250 years later? Well, uh in a current uh state of society where as it always has been in the United States, inequality is uh observable, I would take a stance on what it means in a current society similar to a stance that would be taken by Abraham Lincoln or Frederick Douglass or perhaps Martin Luther King, that the the fundamental principles of uh the Declaration of Independence specifically being all men are created equal are are very insistated in our constitution, in our law, even uh if to the full extent has not been properly executed. So such as the No King's Rally, we can see or at least I did on the news uh people holding up constitutions, people holding up signs that say all men are created equal, that say we the people, they are pointing out injustice and justifying their anger with the Constitution, with the Declaration of Independence. And I think that is a really beautiful thing that we have carried on since the beginning of this country and 250 years later.

SPEAKER_15 17:05

And the Declaration of Independence 250 years later, I think a often in a very popular misconception is that it really only applied in that time or in that specific case, having to separate from England and from King George. But I think with all the advances of our country and also just the direction that we're going in, even though it's a very different time, I think the values outlined by the Declaration of Independence matter now more than ever because we have so many more things that are, I guess, controversial about it or ways in which it can be interpreted. But I think sticking to the way that the original values were meant to be interpreted by the Founding Fathers is more important now than it ever has been before.

SPEAKER_16 17:58

Hi, I'm Emma, I'm 15 years old, and the declaration 250 years later means that we still have a baseline for things that we need to think about in our government, even when we're in such different times.

SPEAKER_08 18:10

My name is Clara, I'm 14 years old. I think the Declaration 250 Years Later really just shows how much it has evolved to the current situation of the United States. For example, the meaning of the statement in the preamble, all men, is different today, and even like after the whole civil rights movement is different than when it was created.

SPEAKER_17 18:34

My name's Mari, I'm 15, and in order to avoid the U.S. from becoming tyrannical, it's still important to keep in mind that the government derives its power from the consent of the governed and can be abolished when needed, meaning when it becomes destructive to our rights.

SPEAKER_07 19:11

We can learn from their hardships to improve our lives through their perseverance and keep in contact with keeping connection with our nation's history history and life.

SPEAKER_14 19:29

Hi, I'm Felix. I'm 14 years old. So what the Declaration means to me 250 years later is that when it was first being drafted, the the drafters were taking into consideration a higher power. And now 250 years later, that higher power is still there, and we're able to exercise a freedom of religion thanks to the Constitution, which also takes into consideration those ideas from the Declaration. So for the Declaration to still be relevant 250 years later means that it really was thought out and well drafted, and all of the vocabulary and wording that was used really was meant to drive home a point for the for the people that were in rebellion.

SPEAKER_18 20:28

What what the Declaration means to me is not just a statement, not just America declaring its independence from Britain, but a statement of our the founding ideals of our nation and just the sheer importance, but also it's very important how we are breaking breaking away from Britain and standing up to them because they aren't securing our natural rights.

Dissent, Tyranny, And Global Ripples

SPEAKER_04 21:35

And even after 1776, the Declaration of Independence has served as inspiration for countless revolutions across the world, including the French Revolution, the Haitian Revolution, the Latin American Revolutions, and even the Vietnam Revolutions.

SPEAKER_13 21:56

Hi, my name is Logan and I'm 15. To me, the Declaration of Independence shows persistence and struggles the colonists went through to fight for what they believed was important at the time. But today, 250 years later, the Declaration has fallen in power to where the consent of the government is being infringed upon by a tyrannical administration that has no care for the due process and the stripping of the natural rights that the colonists fought so hard to achieve. We went from a society where we riot rioted over taxes on our tea to a society that pays taxes on our taxes, and don't bat an eye. The Declaration has changed so much over the past 250 years and will continue to, but not for the better.

SPEAKER_05 22:38

Hello, my name's Aubrey, I'm 17 years old, and the Declaration of Independence 250 years later shows the breaking point of what the of what us as the governed and especially as American citizens should endure from our government. It serves as an example and courage to address elements of our government that don't necessarily serve us and are right and just.

SPEAKER_10 24:18

Until next time, take care of yourselves, take care of each other, and keep learning.